Trenton Reynolds: This is Room in the Trees, a podcast about mercury and retrograde. Watch your contracts.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: room in the trees is hosted by me sabrina ward harrison and you oh that's me trent reynolds
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Trenton Reynolds: And today we are doing part two in our continuation of our last episode and talking about some of Sabrina's favorite artists, authors, and designers. So you said that you were grumpy and that's, I think, the first time you've ever told me that you're grumpy. Really? Yeah. Yeah. What's causing the
Sabrina Ward Harrison: grumpies? I don't really get grumpy very often, but. You don't? No, mercury retrograde is, is do you know much about Mercury retrograde? Is that a part of your life? I don't.
Trenton Reynolds: Well, it might be, and I just don't realize it once you tell me about it.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: So it's something about Mercury, the planet.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I have absolutely no idea. Is it going the opposite direction? I don't. We probably should look that up. It's only happening one more time this year. But it's retrograding. Retrograding.
Trenton Reynolds: It's grading in a retro fashion.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Exactly. It's grading into your flow. It's grading against it. Into it. Like cheese. All right. Grading cheese of your soul. No, so usually there's issues like technology's not working. You know, it's not a good time to like sign contracts or they what other things they say just like usually things break down more often. It just kind of there's this heaviness of just stuff not in the flow.
Trenton Reynolds: There's only one more time that Mercury is in retrograde?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: This year. Yeah, I think it's in July.
Trenton Reynolds: And when can I start signing contracts again?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I think it's the 26th of the month.
Trenton Reynolds: 26th of the month.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Let me look it up, Mercury.
Trenton Reynolds: Write that into my calendar. Contracts, okay. Okay.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: According to the age-old practice of astrology, we are all influenced by the effects of Mercury in retrograde. Due to the way our planet's orbit interacts with the orbits of the other planets, they might sometimes appear to be traveling backwards through the night sky with respect to the zodiac. This is, in fact, an illusion which we can call apparent retrograde motion. Three times a year, it appears as if Mercury is going backwards. These times, in particular, when we were traditionally associated with confusion, delays, and frustration. Think email blunders and frazzled travel plans. However, this is an excellent time to reflect on the past. It's said that intuition is high during these periods, and coincidences can be extraordinary. Oh, what to expect when Mercury is in retrograde. So it's March 5th to 28th, July 7th through August 2nd, October 31st to November 20th. So there's two more. The planet Mercury rules communication, travel, contracts, automobiles, and such. So when Mercury is in retrograde, remain flexible, allow extra time for travel, and avoid signing contracts. double check your email responses check in with reservations before you take your trip so i had an automobile situation mercury strikes yeah i'm sorry go ahead so uh earlier about five or six days ago the engine light went on and the fuel fuel gauge light went on and So I took the car in to get the Saab get serviced and the Goodwin tire place. And they said they can't, I have to take it to the dealer to get this certain light. They didn't want to charge me a thousand bucks to redo the filter thing.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: dinging and usually it shows there's some something on the dashboard that shows what's going on nothing's going on but it's just dinging and then i look and the front hood of the car i can tell is not locked down right terrifying because if it flies up i'm not going to be able to see anything and i'm driving on the freeway at a high speed so I pull off the freeway and I thank God I saw that that's what was going on. And I, I pulled over and I pushed the lid down and locked it, but I was like, Oh my God, that was just terrifying. And then, um, I had this special appointment to build this, like it's called a mirror box to help my, with my dystonia where I can, um, you, you put your hand into this kind of box with a mirror on the side. So I'm trying to reprogram my brain. So I got there. I'd ordered the mirror on Amazon. I had the cardboard. I got the dollar store last night just in time. And I get there and she's like, yeah, it was at the East Clinic today. She's over there. I'm like, oh.
Trenton Reynolds: so when i'd organize the whole day around this appointment well that's that's that could be mercury too right i mean it says to check your reservations things are rickety downright rickety
Sabrina Ward Harrison: around here do you get moody yeah you do Right?
Trenton Reynolds: Yeah, you've, I've definitely, you've seen the grump.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I don't know if I've really, maybe in high school.
Trenton Reynolds: I feel like I've been grumpy for the past eight years. in a constant state of grump.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Because grumpy comes along with tired, you know, right?
Trenton Reynolds: Yeah, and most definitely does. But that may be an interesting point is like, I'll have a really bad day and just feel like I was mean to people, you know, just feel like I was... A total downer. And then, you know, at the end of the day, I'll apologize to Laura. Like, sorry, I was just kind of off today. And she'll be like, oh, I didn't notice anything. It's like, I guess it was all internal. It's that introverted extrovert thing at the get-out.
Right. Right.
Trenton Reynolds: When you're feeling grumpy, do you get more testy with other people? Your patience is down? Or is it kind of a mild depression? Are you anxious? Like, what are... What are the features of your grumpiness?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I think I get serious. I get to, I can't, I kind of lose a lighthearted, playful aspects of my soul. So today I, I knew I, I really wanted to get some exercise and I, Well, this is the thing. This is the saddest thing ever. Not the saddest, but as I've been being so effusive about my fantastic running class with Troy, the gym just went up and switched it. And so he only teaches one day a week and every other week, two days a week. And I'm telling you, I've relied on that three days a week to get completely mentally. It's really been like this... clarity and I could tell that it was different so I was off my routine anyway.
Trenton Reynolds: So was this the gym or was it Troy's decision? The gym they're trying to consolidate classes
Sabrina Ward Harrison: during the lunchtime hour and so there's another there's another running teacher that teaches on and so they've given him more of the classes but he's just not the same doesn't have the special sauce so uh there's just some a way that troy teaches that it feels very um doable like it's not i think the other teacher just comes in like you need to start running really you know for longer and this one's troy teaches a lot more incrementally you you know It's just better pacing for me.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: That's a bummer. That sucks. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think that Jim knows quite how. Because there's a whole group that really... And Troy said he was bummed too. Troy said he was also going to start listening to the podcast. So if he's listening, this is just... you know yeah well troy you're missed you're missed um so i went anyway i went i went and i i thought i'll go really quick because i had to uh i was consulting on the phone um with a company at 3 15 so i thought i'll quickly go to the gym and then i realized i didn't have my running shoes so i just raced home, got shoes, went back. Anyway, it's not that interesting, but I got a bit of exercise, but I just, all day's just been a little like.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - Yeah.
Trenton Reynolds: - So, mm-hmm. - Just friction where there ought not be, it's the worst.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - I'm glad I was truthful in telling you that I was feeling this way, and so then we can just, there's levity. and acknowledging how we feel. How do you deal with it?
Oh, I eat. That's how I do it.
Trenton Reynolds: I've been overeating for eight years. That's pretty much what I've been. No, you know how I deal with it? Because it's usually a sense of overwhelm. It's usually a feeling of like I am not in control of myself. control of what is happening to me. You know, with kids, there's so much chance, you know, so many variables of like when the kid is going to wake up or when something is going to happen or need an emergency or a doctor's appointment or... you know, on and on and on. There's so many variables that it just feels like you can never get any sense of pattern or consistency. So it's, so often my, my grumpiness is related to having an expectation that's not met, you know, like a, I wanted to do something and I wasn't able to because my day got chopped up into tiny pieces by all these other factors that I don't have control over. So what I tend to do to combat that is I find... small projects that I can complete. Oh, yeah. Like when I finish a bag of cereal and I can throw that bag away, that feels like I've completed something. You know, like the cereal's gone, I can take care of this little... You know, it's, there's a sense of like closure, you know what I'm saying? And I think that's partly why I've got, I'm such a fanatic about organizing my studio because like, it feels like that's part of my life that I can control and, and make sense. And like, there's a certain amount of. like ordering that space, it makes me feel more internally ordered and in control. Does that make sense?
Yes.
Trenton Reynolds: Anyway, that's how I deal with it. It's calming.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: It's calming too.
Yeah.
Trenton Reynolds: Well, be gone. Grump. Be gone. let's talk about happy things okay uh are there happy things are there any happy things going on
Sabrina Ward Harrison: in your life at the moment oh yeah let's see all kinds of things i think well i'm thrilled about the italy this i've got my ticket so if you guys haven't heard of a website called Skyscanner. It will scan the whole month and look up every possible company, discount site, everything for the flight. And you can scan the whole month. So I got, I thought, well, I'll buy a one-way ticket into Rome and then take the train from Rome up north to do the retreat, to do the true living experience. and I thought I'll fly out of Chicago. Okay, the fair. Take a guess at what the fair would be from Chicago to Rome.
Trenton Reynolds: Oh, goodness. I have no clue. I'd guess like... Was it $7,800, something like that?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I got the fare for $89.
Trenton Reynolds: I guess $7,800, that's probably way too much. But $89? Holy cow.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: So with taxes, it was like $189 or $198 or something like that. Can you believe it?
Trenton Reynolds: No, we pay that. We pay that to go to Utah sometimes. Yeah, yeah.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: It's cheaper. It was a cheaper ticket than flying back from Portland to Madison when I booked that ticket. Yeah. unbelievable so it's on air lisbon or air portugal so the return flight this gets even more fun the return flight was 200 and something dollars but it gave you the option to stop in lisbon portugal for a few days so so i thought i always want to go to lisbon portugal and there's a woman on instagram who i love her textiles and what she her designer and um does beautiful weaving and just like her stuff. And we'd been in touch already before about doing a retreat out there. And anyway, I thought, I'm going to go to frigging Portugal for three nights on my way home. And so... Anyway, it's fun. It just feels great. So I'm going for a month. And I got myself a little Airbnb in Rome. I mean, it just the freedom of just, I'm so grateful. so grateful. I have not been back in a long time and just so looking forward to all these women, not all these women, this wonderful group of women.
Trenton Reynolds: Wait a second. Was Mercury in retrograde when you got those plane tickets? Nope. You want to keep track of that Mercury. That's serious business.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: And then I'm excited about, just to elaborate just a little bit more, I'm excited this trip to go to Phoenix, California. to take this interesting conference and then to go see my mom in Los Angeles for two nights and see the Rauschenberg. I'm going to see the Rauschenberg show. You probably can't get away from school to see that. I'm excited to see that. It's like half a mile long or something.
Trenton Reynolds: No, I haven't seen it yet.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: And then I'm going to go up to the Bay Area and then Sam Lamott, who has a podcast called Hello Human. I'm going to do a deep tease do you know, did I talk about him before? He's the son of Anne Lamott who's a wonderful writer I'm just really happy to be going on this adventure and going back up to see my dad
Trenton Reynolds: That sounds, that is very happy that sounds like a lot of really cool things coming up. I'd like to share just just a little ray of sunshine in my life. - Yes. - We're getting our apartment painted, which means that we've, you know, we had to like move out for three days and, - Yeah. - And that was kind of a colossal amount of work. - Oh, huge. - Yeah, but I just peeked my head in there right before we started recording. - Yeah. - And it looks so good. Oh, how refreshing. It is. It makes such a big difference not to have just the standard white walls. And we've had a – our living room area has always had color, but we're adding color to the kitchen and to the bathrooms and our bedroom. What kind of color did you go with? So it's going to be a fairly –
Yeah.
Trenton Reynolds: Well, see, that's the thing is Laura tends to go for really like saturated, rich colors, like kind of funky. I don't know. It's kind of hard to describe. But and then I tend to be more bland. Right. And so I think she's always tempered her color choices for our living spaces because she knows, like she kind of anticipates that I wouldn't want as aggressive colors. But this time around, we went with we went a little bit further in her direction. Yeah. Yeah. And it looks so good. Oh, my gosh. Anyway, it's kind of like this teal-ish green-blue. Oh, fabulous. Like a dark, dark green-blue in the kitchen. And it goes well with the kind of light color. I have no idea what the color names are. And then in the bathroom, it's this kind of rust orange, like a red orange type color. Anyway, just really cool. I'm excited for it. And, yeah. feels like a nice change in atmosphere.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Yeah. Where did you go? What did you just have to bring yourself into the center of the room kind of thing or?
Trenton Reynolds: Yeah. So we're not painting the kid's room cause we painted a mural, a mural in the room. And, um, so we put as much stuff in there as we could and then everything else, like the big furniture, we just had to move toward the middle of the room and take stuff off the walls and, um, take shower curtains down and stuff like that what fun yeah yeah yeah i'm really excited so fresh start that is fresh start fresh coat of paint so life is good i i was helping out yesterday at um at this event where the homeless in the area can come in and get sleeping bags and hygiene kits and stuff like that.
Yeah.
Trenton Reynolds: Anyway, I was talking with a couple of homeless men as I was helping them find the stuff and just realizing like... Even though, like, life feels hard sometimes, there's lots of stress and, you know, feel like it's, you know, hard feeling the burden of trying to take care of little people and, you know. Right. You know, we just have, we have so much. Like, we live with so many comforts. Yes. Yeah. And so many advantages and so much, you know, it's just it's easy to forget sometimes, especially in a city where it's so busy and everybody's like the wealth that other people have and the possessions other people have are so apparent and ever present. And it's always being shoved in your face, you know, that you you aren't this person. And you could have this if, you know, whatever. There's so much in your mind trying to tear down what you have. Yeah. And I just, I don't know. Something like as simple as the freedom and ability to repaint my apartment. Yeah. Yeah. an awesome color. I don't know. I guess I'm kind of rambling, but no, it's absolutely true. Kind of this past few days, I've felt especially grateful for just the abundance in my life. Good living, good life.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: what's on the docket for you guys for the next phase of the year?
Trenton Reynolds: What is on the docket? We're actually getting prepared for spring break, and we're looking into taking a little RV road trip on our way to Utah. Either we'll take the south route and – stop in Zions and a couple of those national parks along the way, or we might drive up along Pacific Coast Highway or Central California area. Anyway, so that's kind of exciting. It's come, I think, in two weeks. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I had a, I had a kind of an epiphany yesterday about, as I'm putting together the, this, the book course, liberate the course. So I've been organizing all the modules as far as teaching and all the different things I'm covering. And I guess I had a little bit of a mental shift of going, I'm going to really just use spilling open. as the example to truly deep dive into exactly how I made that book. Like these are the lists I made. These are the, this is the way I brainstorm. These are what the brainstorming maps look like. This is where the journals, this is what the journals that the writing came from. This is how this looked. This is how I like just, um, instead of you know teaching from the sense of where you're telling people and you're explaining but you're not explaining with an actual example of like this specific thing that you're looking at that's how this was made and then the other part that's live like doing the live coaching through their what they're wrestling with and their challenges and their questions but i kind of just had this shift like i can just really explain that process in my decision making around all of that like the sample pages i put together the the cover the choices that you know just anyway i maybe that's not a big thing but for me it kind of gave me a big kind of sigh of like okay like i just want something to directly bite my teeth into like i'm really like i can really talk about that well it seems like um
Trenton Reynolds: If you talk too generally, this is always the case, right? And you so often very, I think, wisely keep me from getting too general and vague when I'm talking. You prompt me regularly to give a specific example of stuff. So I think that makes a tremendous amount of sense to be able to really give a specific example and concrete example of something, how something, you know, happened. I wonder is, are you concerned though, and this is also something we've talked about before, are you concerned that in being so focused on that single project, right? that people will not be able to see how that applies more generally to, you know, bookmaking in general and that they will get, come away with a lesson instead that they need to do exactly what you did. Well, cause I think there's a balance there. I think you're taking exactly the right tack. I don't, I'm not trying to, you know,
I'm not trying to,
Trenton Reynolds: to contradict anything you've already said. I think it's exactly the thing.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: No, it's amazing. Uh, the journey of entrepreneurship and, and, and following your own path is, is a fascinating one filled with moods and, uh, you know, thrill and risk and euphoria and terror. And, you know, there is this, there's a high that comes from just taking a big leap and seeing something unfold and, and, and then there just can be just this nail biting like oh my gosh what am I think I'm doing and you know there's a the road less traveled sure but you can't have one without the other right
Trenton Reynolds: you can't you you cannot get the euphoria and the satisfaction without taking that
Leap of faith.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Yeah. Yeah. We have to. It's like, it's the sense of just keep moving forward. We all have to keep moving forward.
Trenton Reynolds: So last week I shared some of my favorite contemporary contemporary artists. I think most, if not all were painters, if I'm remembering right now. And then the agreement was that this week you would share some of your favorite artists and in whatever medium they might be. I mean, obviously, don't need to choose. contemporary figurative oil painters. Do you have a list?
What are you thinking?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: The painter, one painter that I really like is a Canadian painter named Bobby Burgers.
Trenton Reynolds: Bobby Burgers.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Great name. She does these beautiful, large painting, kind of abstract paintings of flowers and,
Trenton Reynolds: Yeah, no, I'm just looking through Google images. There's tons of them. So big gestural lots of paint floating somewhere in between representation and abstraction. They look like floral like organic shapes, stems and petals types of
Sabrina Ward Harrison: She has a bit of a site Wombley quality a little bit. Mm hmm. Just said her sense of color. There is a woman named Rachel Hayes. R-A-C-H-E-L-H-A-Y-E-S. But she does these beautiful installations with fabric and in light colors. And she has them up in different places in nature.
Trenton Reynolds: Oh, yeah. So these are, they look like, almost like kite material or parachute material. Like Christo. Yeah. Christo installations, but more colorful. Cool.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: She did, the first time the way I got introduced to her was, she was doing a Missoni ad campaign video. I think they discovered her very early and early on. Just a beautiful photo shoot with these out in the desert. And it was gorgeous. And then my friend Mariana introduced me to it. Oh, you remember Mariana from downtown LA. So I love, I like what she's doing. Because I'm always interested in light through textiles. Yeah.
filming through that.
Trenton Reynolds: There's one on the installation section called Wow and Flutter. It's down toward the bottom. It's these green rectangular shapes on a brick wall. It almost looks like Joseph Albers' painting, you know, like just subtle shifts of... of value and saturation, different versions of green, and then the simple rectangular shapes overlapping. But I love how there's a picture if you go into Wow and Flutter, if you go down, you see those green shapes on the wall, and then you see a bunch of more fabric up on a platform. Anyway, these are really cool. I like them a lot.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - Oh, I see what you're talking about. Yes, yes. That's why I have my list.
Trenton Reynolds: Awesome. Can you name some graphic designers or whose writing has influenced you that are contemporary? Yes. It doesn't have to be contemporary. That's kind of an unimportant restriction.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Okay, I love one of the most influential designers that I have had. when I was in art school was David Carson.
Okay.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: And he had a magazine called Ray Gun, and he also was the art director for Surfer Magazine for a while, but he really broke the rules with typography. Big fan of his. He totally changed the game for graphic design at a certain point. in the late 90s.
Trenton Reynolds: And how would you describe that change or what he brought?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: So he would take a print and he would cut up, you know, he'd cut up the type, you know, cut it, slice it, and then sort of do... upside down on its off the page off the edges he really worked with margins and in you changed the whole sense of there being this kind of internal grid of working on a layout typographically He worked with something very bold and then something really minimal. He worked with – he would use a lot of – he would find something in the trash and just be a cool texture. And then he would scan that in and put type over it.
Trenton Reynolds: Oh, yeah. Does he have an Art 21? Probably. I know I've seen him, like a program about him. Very cool. Yeah. So he taught at CCA?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: No, he didn't. But he came and spoke there.
Got it.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: But I remember my freshman year, my first graphic design teacher, Steve Riat, said he introduced me to him and introduced me to his stuff. So definitely David White is a wonderful writer and poet. David White, W-H-Y-T-E. Clear Mind, Wild Heart. And What to Remember When Waking is a beautiful... audio collections of his. What to Remember When Waking is just a great, great, great listen to. Then, of course, there's the forever John O'Donohue. I think for artists, the book Beauty is a wonderful book.
Trenton Reynolds: Beauty, that's John O'Donohue? Yeah. And David White and John O'Donohue, how would you describe their connection to... Like, what is it that they're commonality? How would you describe that? Or is there at all?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I think the deep reverence for the rhythm of the earth and nature, finding metaphor and understanding through nature, both deeply soulful people and writers.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: John O'Donohue used to be a priest for many, many years, so he has this... know incredible knowledge coming from that side of things um david white is just brilliant and um pulls a lot of references from historical literature they both have fantastic voices wonderful to listen to and Both affected me deeply in the years of around 2000, between 2006 to 2009. Very powerfully influenced me when I was out living in the central California coast and was just so vividly connected to light and ocean and living loose. You know, just very, very untethered as far as, lifestyle and exploration and big walks out in big muck boots, like big rubber boots and walking out onto the edges of the sea and I would listen to them. Joseph Campbell and Alan Watts Mary Oliver, Mae Sarton, and another one is Ann Truitt. I really love her writing. She has three books of her memoirs. One of them is called, the first one's called Day Book, which I highly recommend. Then of course, Cy Twombly, who is a master of scribble scrabble.
Trenton Reynolds: Cy Twombly has always been interesting to me, just how divisive he is. Like, He's one of those artists that the people who have a deep distrust of contemporary art point at. But I love him too. Your thoughts on Rauschenberg and what he means to you.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Rauschenberg, yeah, has a huge influence and inspiration to me when I first saw his work live. He called them combines and mixed media. He really was powerful in the 50s and 60s, but I don't think anyone had ever seen what he was doing. He was taking found objects and doing it. He has an incredible sense of color and and understanding of texture and big, big interesting mixed media pieces. So he did one that's actually the quarter mile long show, LACMA. 190 painted panels he created over the course of 17 years. Wow. It signified the distance between his studio and his home on Captiva Island in Florida. And this is the first time that all of the panels have been displayed together. The piece takes practically every surface of the museum's third floor gallery. Wow. That's the kind of project I would love to do. Mixes of paint, photographs, mass media, images, textiles, paint, cardboard boxes, and found objects like chairs and traffic lights.
Trenton Reynolds: Wow.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: There you go. I know I'm forgetting people, but...
Trenton Reynolds: I think that's a pretty... That's a list. Pretty great list. Yeah. I think, I'm guessing a lot of the people that listen to this podcast or that know you through your books see you as a visual artist, right? you know, they interact and know you through, through that particular medium, through books, right through pages. But from being your friend for a while, it's just clear to me that you're not just a visual artist. Like, I mean, that's one way that you've found to, uh, contextualize or to wrap up your kind of way of thinking and understanding the world, but your interest in music and connecting with nature and being outside and activity. And I don't feel like you are just a visual artist. No. Like with me, to a certain degree, I'm a 2D studio artist. I like going to the studio and having my canvas and puttering around with paint and stuff like that. But it feels like with you and the way you make your work, it's more all-encompassing. It's a way of life almost. The way you go out to thrift stores and collect things from furniture that's been set out on the sidewalk and the way you organize your space at home and the things that you listen to and taking your shoes off and memories of the various kinds of prompts and And it's just like, it's so much bigger than just books. So anyway, and I think this, this list is a good, good indicator. And, you know, obviously you, you draw a lot of inspiration from and have a lot invested in, in, you know, taking like photography and graphic design and stuff like that. That's a primary focus, but yeah, I don't know. I feel you trying to give people more than just your books. I feel you trying to give them experience and give them permission to have experience and not just trying to get them to buy your books or your- Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I'm going to set them free. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, that is not entirely usual for, you know, when you think of a visual artist, oftentimes you think of somebody that creates a product to sell, you know, and while that product or, you know, that painting or sculpture or art object might reflect an ethos or a way of seeing the world, right? it's kind of its own thing separate from what the artist might choose to do with their day-to-day life, right? Yeah, right. Whereas with you, I think it's like it's all part of the same mass, you know, like how you set up your studio space and create spaces, living spaces, is very much connected with what quotes you like to read, which is connected with how you like to paint, you know, and create. And it feels more fluid and like integrated. Thank you for saying,
Sabrina Ward Harrison: seeing that. That's true. I think that's why my vision for the true living project, like a place that's a living model of possibility is like that. I think that's why that'll be my lifelong project will be to create because it's so much about the holistic whole environment experiential art of being alive
Trenton Reynolds: and art of art of living of an engaged life man i would love for people who connect so much to your books to be able to just occupy some space with you because you do have just a very palpable
Sabrina Ward Harrison: energy. Sabrina fan right here. We'll see you next week. Post any questions and subject, tag us and we will explore the depths of creative life. Oh, you know, we'd love, post a picture of you listening to this. Take a screenshot of you listening to an episode and a tag us on Instagram and we will repost. That'd be cool. I'd love to see where you're listening, what's happening, who you are. Literally, just to report this, as I'm saying that up on Instagram, something came up that Julia Bethman has just posted in her story, one of my favorites, Broom in the Trees with Sabrina Ward Harrison and Trent Reynolds Art. New episode.
So there you go. We love that. Keeps us going.
Trenton Reynolds: All right. Now go out and be grateful for all the wonderful things in your life and make some time to get messy.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Yep, absolutely. And this is spring.
Be in it.
Trenton Reynolds: Be of it.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Be of your spring.