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Sabrina Ward Harrison: It is Saturday, February 25th, 2017. This is Room of the Trees, a podcast about, uh, full-sized unicorns. repurposing shovels and some hair speak. The following was recorded on February 23rd, 2017, episode 36, Take the Unicorn. Room in the Trees is hosted by Trent Reynolds and me, Sabrina Harrison. Show notes including pictures, links, videos, and more for every episode can be found at roominthetrees.com. If you like this podcast, which I'm loving, loving, the feedback is so great. Please consider showing your support. You can become a subscribing patron at patreon.com forward slash room. And please help us grow our audience by rating or writing us a review on iTunes. It means so much. To do that, you can use the link roominthetrees.com forward slash iTunes and I think it works best if you do it on a laptop. For this episode, we recorded a conversation with one of my favorite people, Molly Franks. She was my best friend in sixth grade and just became one of those people at an early age that I felt I could just really be myself with and just be weird and true and random. knowing her at the time I knew her, and I still know her. And I love her soul, I love her laugh. I love the way she thinks, and I just appreciate her in this world, and that she could join us for this. So I hope you enjoy too, and here we go.
Molly Franks: - Sabrina and I were paired up, actually. That's how we met. Mrs. Healy's class in that trailer classroom, right?
Yep.
Molly Franks: We were in the trailer. And I think Maki Doi was under one of the tables doing origami.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: That is so right.
Molly Franks: And I love that Mrs. Healy just let him do that. He needed to be under the desk. making origami. You're so right. And so this project and this project came up and everybody
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Oh God, I just missed I'm just laughing with you. Okay. This project came up.
Molly Franks: Yeah, and everybody was assigned to create a newspaper from a different country. And so I'm sorry if you wanted to be paired up with Maki, but she actually chose for Sabrina and I to be paired up. And so we were kind of forced into the this friendship because you know we had to spend time after hours at our homes to create this really neat like huge Russian newspaper we had to write articles and color it yeah I know that I do I wish we still had it but that was really how our friendship was born yeah yeah thank you mrs. Healy
Sabrina Ward Harrison: and then we started and I was new to that school I was new to La Cuneta that year and Molly you were kind of a native your mom had gone to La Cuneta yes I was kind of new on the block laughter laughter new kid on the block yeah I was not laughter laughter Nice, we'll get to that next. Oh yeah, so Molly, we got really into passing notes. Remember that Trenton? Did you pass notes or was that more of a girl thing?
Trenton Reynolds: Definitely pass notes. You did, yeah.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Big thing. So we got into really passing these. We had a really creative friendship. I think Molly was the first friend that I felt really seen by and I felt really loved. just the weirder the better. You really laughed. I really laughed at you and you really laughed at me. We really, really did some funny stuff. And so we decided to start passing notes and get as weird as we could with them. So Molly once brought a note that she had typed on a roll of toilet paper on a typewriter.
Oh.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: she also brought an inflatable orange raft that she'd written on the entire it came in walking with it over her head so awesome so funny
Molly Franks: and I have to say it was that true friendship when you could be as just stupid and silly and crazy and it was safe and it was encouraged and we just i mean we spent whole nights i remember being on the floor of your living room Sabrina on like a Friday night and we would we would we would call Coast FM oh yeah and like try to sound older and like talk to the DJ and be like hey you know what are you doing tonight
Sabrina Ward Harrison: we want to request a song yeah can you play some
Molly Franks: Milli Vanilli Oh my gosh, that was that time. And it was. It was just like true, hearty, just laughter. And there was no pretense or trying to be anything but who we were. And, you know, we were figuring that out along the way, too.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: and what I really remember was you going back to you being a native we look really different you're like really cute blonde, really cute like little, adorable kind of in with the scene you got to school with all these people you were kind of popular in this way really really liked you and I was new and I was like hi I'm Sabrina I ride horses and I've got short hair didn't have a lot going for me except that I was you know I felt like it was it was really I remember just like kind of being surprised at our friendship because we didn't really I definitely didn't know where my you know my pocket was at school that way.
Molly Franks: - Yeah, but that's what I loved about you. - Yeah. - You know? And this kinda goes back to the conversation you all had the other day about introverts and extroverts, which I absolutely loved, like yay introverts. I think that if you tend to be more, more introverted. For me, I've never been comfortable in small talk or even being a part of things that really just that I don't think are important or are just very fluffy. And we never had that. We just always just jumped in. And it was just that chemistry that One of the main reasons I was so excited to talk with you two is because I just wanted the opportunity to thank you. I've been listening, Sabrina shared with me that you all were starting this out. you know and so I've been listening to you all from day one and there's just so much that I've gotten out of your conversations you know I think that in a broad sense I would consider myself a creative person although I don't I have not chosen a creative career path so I have this kind of push and pull of you know needing to do what I do with with my work and my kids and everything that life sucks out of you but then also needing that creative outlet and Trent as you know when you have kids that time and that energy is very easily sucked away from you.
Definitely.
Molly Franks: And not that you would change it, of course, but I think that you two have reignited my desire and the push for me to incorporate a creative outlet that I've never had before. in even small ways in my life. And I have, it's done such an incredible thing to me because I find that when I would take those small moments during my day, even if I have a half an hour to repurpose a shovel or whatever I'm doing,
Molly Franks: I, I, it, that kind of seeps out into the rest of my life. You know, I have that creative fire sitting inside me and I've even found that,
um,
Molly Franks: I'm able to bring a creative edge to my work, even though I don't work in a creative field. And I have also made the point in my office, Sabrina, I never sent you the picture, but in my workspace, I brought some of my, the things that I need visually to be present. because I need that creative energy around me even when I'm just doing my very non-creative work. So you two have been instrumental in that. And so I am very grateful. And I'm just so stoked that you all have started this. Well, thank you.
Yeah.
Trenton Reynolds: Yeah. I'm really curious about where we draw distinctions between what is artistic and what's creative and what's not, you know, and how we define those things. For example, I know in the past we've talked a lot about Sabrina about... how there is a lot of work that goes into art making that happens outside the studio and mentally emotionally preparing for or coming up with ideas or really digging into what you're feeling or experiencing and being ready to to incorporate that somehow into your studio practice, but But is that as much a part of the art making as the actual fabrication or messing around with materials? And why is that any less art making or a potential for creative outlet and expression as what Molly might be doing day to day? And if that is art as well, or creativity, what is, you know, how then do we define it? Or what distinguishes it from other mundane, maybe not mundane, I'm not trying to say your life is mundane, but like day-to-day or non- art, you know, traditionally what we would think of as art activities.
Yes. Does that make sense?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Yeah, it feels like it's a sort of almost state of mind, because I was thinking about Molly's love for, similar to mine, about like thrift stores and, you know, repurpose places like that's a very creative time even just looking for those treasures and coming across things and thinking about what they could become as you were telling me that you've been enjoying doing that is very that feels very creative it's activating a creative your your creative mind oh it is and it's so
Molly Franks: gratifying it's just it's So that's just my happy place. And can I tell you a quick story? So the situation is today I, for work, I had to go down to Annapolis to talk to two of our senators. Oh, it's just that. Oh, I know. And so we, I, that's not a football. a typical day for me at all. But I had to, and I ended up having to park like two and a half miles away from the state house. And it was, I was out of my mind. Like I was already late. I had heels on, which was a really bad choice. I was hot, but I couldn't take my jacket off because I had the wrong, tank top on and you know I'm just like cranky and I'm clopping along the street and to my left I see this thrift store that I've never seen before and I completely got distracted I was already ten minutes late but I was like oh Oh my gosh. And so I had to do, it took everything in me not to go in, but they had outside on the little patio, they had this sign that said free and a bunch of boxes of just like janky stuff and and there was this unicorn on a stick and it was one of those things that you would see a child ride you know when the horse with the stick and you ride around on it. Oh, yeah. But it was a unicorn. Like really big? It was, yeah, like a full size. Oh, wow. Right. And everything in me, I mean, I had it in my hand and I said, oh... This is mine.
Molly Franks: I grabbed it and I started clopping down the street and I thought, "Oh my God, I'm going to meet with senators. "How am I gonna
Molly Franks: "explain this?" I don't have anywhere to stash it. It's too big to put in my purse. I can't. And I was facing this fear and I ended up putting it back in the box. And I'm so disappointed in myself because I should have, took the unicorn and and I
Sabrina Ward Harrison: title of the episode take the unicorn
Molly Franks: I just I just wrote down unicorn on a stick you know in part and and part of me was very disappointed in myself because I had this like two minute struggle where I just stood in place and I was thinking I I need this unicorn but what is gonna happen when I walk into the senator's office holding a unicorn and I'm trying to talk about something really serious and and I thought this could go one of two ways they can even you think I'm completely bonkers and you know I've I've lost my purpose there or they'll remember me because I had a uniform on a stick so but you know and I in Sabrina we were talking about that you know the the hundred ways of rejection and I had that fear. I had that fear of rejection and I let the unicorn go.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - But you could, why couldn't you come back and get it afterwards?
Molly Franks: - Because I didn't wanna walk all the way back in heels so I Ubered back to my car. - That's smart. - And I had to rush home so that I could, because I had a date with you all.
Trenton Reynolds: That is, so that just happened today?
That happened today. Oh. Mm-hmm.
Trenton Reynolds: That, I think, is a wonderful metaphor for a lot of what we talk about, I think.
Tell us, Trent.
Trenton Reynolds: Well, I hadn't quite finished that thought yet. I started opening my mouth.
Trenton Reynolds: But I think, I don't know, there's something very potent to me about that struggle, I don't know, between all the compromises that come from making the decision to do something something that doesn't make logical sense or practical sense perhaps, but we understand somehow, I don't know, obviously logic has nothing to do with it maybe, but we understand that there's something important about this thing, that we do this thing, right? I think that feeling you have of disappointment, I think I think that's important to listen to and to realize that, yeah, like logically it's silly. This is just a unicorn on a stick, but I think that is, that feeling is indicative of something that your soul needs somehow, you know, or. I don't know. I think there's a lot there to consider.
Molly Franks: I know. There is. There's a lot to sort of grapple with with that situation. And part of me is just really disappointed in myself because – because I could have explained myself away if needed. And maybe it could have sparked like a really cool conversation or, you know, and I just, I mean, I respect people who are eclectic and, and wacky and, and creative in every way.
Trenton Reynolds: And maybe that, maybe that Senator would have seen the unicorn on a stick and thought, oh my gosh you know like like it would have been some kind of revelatory moment for you know and you guys would have this awesome conversation that was spawned by a unicorn on a stick exactly I think
Sabrina Ward Harrison: yeah there's something from the universe about this that I think is interesting yeah like
Trenton Reynolds: And that's what I rewatched the that TED talk about 100 days of rejection and the same same type of thing comes up is like, you don't you can never anticipate what might result from following those impulses, you know, of opening up possibility rather than than shutting it down.
Molly Franks: - Right, and I think such an important key of that is sort of breaking through and getting below the surface and being real with people. Because once you kind of start to laugh and explain something, or I think you find that you just open these gates with people and make that connection.
Yeah.
Molly Franks: And I don't know. I think it could just be a really cool thing. And I don't know. Maybe we all should walk around with unicorns on a stick.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: We're just paying attention. At least once. Yeah, at least once. At least once. I wonder what the backstory is with it with the unicorn? yeah I know
Trenton Reynolds: it can't be anything but sad though if it's in the free bin at the at the thrift store
Molly Franks: I know and it was right next to this box of like this old empty whiskey bottle that I know so I don't know if they came from the same place or not but I don't know
Sabrina Ward Harrison: you could drive back and get it
Molly Franks: I absolutely could if it's still there maybe you need to go back
Sabrina Ward Harrison: and even go explore the whole place
Molly Franks: oh I'm definitely going back I took a picture of the storefront so I can remember how to
Molly Franks: quick background of what I do. So I work at a nonprofit that supports adults with intellectual and developmental disabilities. And what that basically means is years and years and years ago, folks in this population were sort of you know stashed away in in institutions and we're now in an extremely exciting time where um folks with disabilities are are getting the rights and respect that they deserve and it is my job to make sure that they are that each person in our agency is is living the best life possible and the life that they want. And that means something different for everyone. For some of our folks, it means that they get to go and have coffee and donuts every Thursday morning. And for some folks, it means that they get the job of their dreams and everything in between. So today was a, it was, It's called DD Day, Developmental Disabilities Day, down in Annapolis. And it was an opportunity for agencies like ours to come down and speak with our senators and express our concerns. And, you know, I don't want to bore you all too much, but minimum wage. wage is rising and we're not being reimbursed by the state enough to cover everything that we need to provide services with enough dignity and resources that we need. So it was our chance to just have our presence and our voices heard. heard. So that's what today was about for us, which is really cool.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Fantastic. Yeah.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: That's my, that was my little, doing such important work.
Trenton Reynolds: So how, how does creativity factor into that? Or as you've listened to the podcast, maybe you're in been the, something's been sparked. and you want to get back to something along those lines, what does that look like? Or how might that present itself?
Molly Franks: How does creativity tie in? My own personal creativity tie into my work? Is that what you're asking?
Trenton Reynolds: Or maybe it doesn't, or just, I guess, daily life. Maybe it's your work maybe yeah are you thinking that i'm sorry go ahead oh no go ahead oh i was just gonna say is there a is there like a literal creative like you want to to make stuff or is it more like we're
Molly Franks: just talking about a state of mind or something you know it's both really because i find that when when i am tapped into my creative self i'm in a better place i have more of an and mind, I'm happier and I can be a better director. But on the other side, I think, you know, and with that, I find, you know, in our field, it's all about human connection. my job really is to connect with the people that we support and help them live their life so it helps me tap into that it kind of helps me wash away all the things that don't really matter like
you know
Molly Franks: just the silliness of life it really keeps me kind of grounded and being able to connect with people. On the other hand, programmatically at our agency, it has sparked me to start programs like we have this random acts of kindness project that we started. And so we have some of our staff and some of the people that we support coming up with projects to to kind of send out to the community and in that like we take meals down to the homeless shelter or we There's a group that does like writes cards and creates these little Flower pots and takes them to a senior center to share with them. And, you know, it's just, I guess in a way it kind of opens up my mind to the possibilities of what we can do, whether it be literally creative or just kind of looking at life a little bit different, looking at how I approach things a little bit. Does that make sense? I don't know. I don't know if this is kind of coming together as I'm intending it to. But more so, I think it's a mindset.
Yeah.
Molly Franks: being tapped into my creative self makes me a better person I think in every part of my life whether it be with my kids at work in my relationship you know and that's what I get so jazzed about is that you know you and I I get so much out of your podcast even when it's you know truly artist base and you're speaking to other artists but I I don't I mean I hope you all realize that you're reaching out to way more than just the art community hmm
Trenton Reynolds: You know, as you're talking, I was thinking that the mindset is really an important part of it. And everything you said about connection is exactly why I love, and I think originally was drawn to art. necessarily that making a painting or working with materials. It was the feeling and a specific kind of feeling of connection that I got from from being around artists. I love that. So I think there's something very significant about that. But I also think that there is another side of it that is, has to do with our physical relationship with with things, with the world that is around us. I think that moment where you physically were in a place and grabbed a toy, you know, grab the the unicorn on the stick, like, I think that's part of it too. I think if, you know, whether it's making, grabbing a stick with paint on it and scrubbing it around a canvas, or it's, you know, taking that moment and picking up an object and thinking about its possibilities or its potential or what it represents and means, you know, and I, so I, I don't know, I, I, I'm thinking about this pairing between our physicality in the world and how we physically relate to it, you know, and, and respond and interpret and express, um, and then also, you know, paired with a, this kind of, generative open mindset and I think it's that pairing for me that is is where I guess art is located it feels like me being a little too wordy there no it was really well said
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I dropped into student teacher mode. I was like listening to you like, thank you, teacher. Thank you, teacher. I know. Namaste. Shesha. Shesha.
Molly Franks: Oh, my gosh. Oh. Can I just talk about one thing real quick?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Yep, go for it.
Molly Franks: I don't mean to digress from our really great conversation about... about that, but I have to talk about this. And it's a memory, Trent. It's a memory. - Go for it, absolutely. - Okay, Sabrina, when we were 16,
Sabrina Ward Harrison: no no no it was earlier than that no no no how's that you know where i'm going no oh oh oh oh oh yes now i know exactly where you're going all right i was 16 precisely yes yes and
Molly Franks: sabrina's parents had this incredible like really large green and brown suburban Chevy Suburban, right? Like the extended, like the biggest Suburban that they made.
And
Molly Franks: Sabrina was like fresh. She just got her driver's license.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: And I took the driver's license test in that dude. In that thing. In that monster.
In that monster, okay.
Molly Franks: So of course, your parents, I don't know, did they give you permission? to take it out.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Yeah, now it's crazy to think a 16-year-old was behind the wheels of that. But okay, yeah, it was for us to start with.
Molly Franks: Yeah, so we were cruising. Sabrina came by and picked me up and we hit McDonald's on Foothill and we're like, alright, we're going to cruise around and we were actually over near your neighborhood kind of near Paradise Canyon and elementary school. And we, so Sabrina and I were, we both had like big Macs in our hands and we got the music blaring, you know, probably in KOTB and, and we're, we're driving and,
and
Molly Franks: Sabrina was picking up quite a bit of speed and we're in it this is a total like a real quiet residential area and I knew this one particular street it was like you're on a street and then there was this really deep dip, and Trent, you might know what I'm talking about, and then it comes up again to like a really big hump of the street, and then another big dip, and then it, and do you know what I'm talking about?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Right by where your old house was.
Trenton Reynolds: I think it was Veneta, or Veneta, or something like that.
Molly Franks: Yes, yes!
Trenton Reynolds: Yes, I know that intersection very well, yeah.
Molly Franks: Okay, so Sabrina is just hauling.
Trenton Reynolds: Yeah.
Molly Franks: toward this this death and i said i said sabrina are you like i don't know you might want to slow down it's with this just total confidence was like don't worry about i do this all the time
Molly Franks: And so she... Now, remember, this is like a stretched Suburban. She takes this dip and just... Just grind like she goes. And the front of the Suburban like dips, like hits... goes down in the dip and like rocks the car forward and then it comes back up and then the rear wheel is going into that rear dip and like I'm not kidding you my head and my Big Mac hit the roof and then we go to the next dip and it doesn't seem to hit you the front of the Suburban goes straight down into the dip and the car is like rocking back and forth and up and down we're like knocking shoulders and like the the hamburger lettuce is i don't know where it is
Sabrina Ward Harrison: and there was no like there was no springs or anything it was like one of those you know real tankers like it had no bounce there was no it's just solid bam bam bam scratching you know it's like literally thought we lost the transmission back there
Molly Franks: oh my god and i i truly think that was one of the times that i've never laughed so hard in my life in in the i mean the best part of it was she's like don't worry i do this all the time
Sabrina Ward Harrison: yeah yeah yeah i was a really careful driver too it was like it's just i think it's like the first day my parents don't know this story by the way you didn't tell well they something ended up being
Molly Franks: wrong with the suburban you never because i remember you're like oh you know like I think we messed up I think we messed up the alignment or like the transmission
Sabrina Ward Harrison: oh yeah I think we really messed up the alignment yeah fun fact remember when the when the suburban got stolen out of the parking lot at high school after I got someone followed remember when suburbans were really popular yeah they were like and some people followed me into the front parking lot, but now at the end of it, and I got out, and I came out. Remember, I came out after school. I'm like, where's the Suburban? It was right here. Some people had taken it and stripped it down for all its parts.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: It was really violated, yeah. So you ended up, you found it? later? They found it
Sabrina Ward Harrison: months later and they identified it and it was like the size of a wrench. I mean it was like nothing.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Found your suburban.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Here you go. Here you go. Put it in the palm of your hand. Good news.
Molly Franks: Um. Oh, wow.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: That's a funny memory. Yep.
Molly Franks: Oh, it's one of my favorites.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: What's your hair like these days, Molly?
Molly Franks: These days? Or right now?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: What's it look like right now?
Molly Franks: Um, it's kind of like...
Sabrina Ward Harrison: One more time.
Okay. Okay. Okay.
Molly Franks: It's definitely a scrunchie or something. Yeah, it is. And then it is up in a scrunchie. And it's messy and curly.
Cute.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: was was this and was this scrunchie the um i know that was no she's being quite literal that's like the that's how i knew it meant that it was up i love that you said scrunchie
Trenton Reynolds: i know right i guess so you knew it was up because of this is
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I knew the cadence of it was like, you could tell there was movement up and then an explosion of something.
Molly Franks: You were so right on. Exactly.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: And then I could tell that it was kind of, like, it's up, but then it has little bits coming out of it. So there was, like, kind of starburst flames of... a curl that just kind of loosely extend lavishly around.
Trenton Reynolds: Wow, you are good. You're good at this.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: That is oppressive.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: My hair is like...
Sabrina Ward Harrison: That's just what's happening today. That's what's happening today with my hair. Can you send a picture? Nope. Oh.
Trenton Reynolds: Well, I'm going to say the hair to the beard is...
Sabrina Ward Harrison: yes exactly yep yep i think you're right on
Yeah.
Trenton Reynolds: Any other memories or stories?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Oh, Molly, I wanted you to talk a bit, just briefly, about what you're doing with the repurposing and stuff. Because that's what we didn't get to, was how the things you're actually making in your offices.
Molly Franks: Yeah, I don't know if that's interesting.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Well, just touching on it, it's fun, maybe just emphasizing, it's just fun to repurpose things and make stuff out of stuff.
Molly Franks: Yeah, it is. I found, I had to play around with what my creative outlet looked like. Sabrina, I told you that I, photography is always, you know, I'm always trying to find has been my passion, but photography requires a lot of time and editing and I think I just, I don't have the time or the patience for that. So I found that that was kind of killing my vibe. So what I started to tap into is, um, I have this fascination with using things for which they were not intended. Like, for instance, in my office, I have a old vintage recipe card holder, which serves as my business card holder. I also have, like, this fan on my wall, and it's just this collage of different photos and dried flowers, and...
Molly Franks: So that's what I've been doing. I've been collecting... and repurposing stuff for my office, for my home. And I found some really cool pieces. And I also bought this shelf. It's just a plain wood shelf. And I'm going to be stripping it and adding some old rusty nails so that I can use it as a jewelry holder because I I'm finding I don't have a proper jewelry holder and I can't find one anywhere. I also have an elephant that I spray painted gold. I don't know what purpose that's going to serve.
butt.
Molly Franks: What kind of elephant is this? It's just about a four inch tall wooden elephant.
Trenton Reynolds: Good standard size. It is a wooden elephant. Garden variety.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: You're basically letting me find the kitchen. Right. Where's the elephant?
Molly Franks: Oh my What else did I make?
Trenton Reynolds: You mentioned repurposing a shovel. Have you Yeah Have you repurposed your shovel? Yes, I have. Or is that just an example? You have.
Molly Franks: That's another jewelry.
Trenton Reynolds: Yes, I have.
Molly Franks: Oh, yes, you have.
Actually.
Molly Franks: So, thank you for asking. Yes, so I took a shovel. I removed the metal part, and I was left with the handle. the handle, I then, I ripped out pages from a Maya Angelou book and I wrapped the handle with these old faded pages with poems on them. So I glued them around and then I stuck them sort of sprayed them with this gloss and then I'm wrapping the ends of the the shovel handle with twine and then I'm gonna somehow mount them mount it and hang necklaces from it again I mean I have a of necklaces that I need space for so that's what I that's a solution I came up with. That's awesome that is awesome. It's fun it's just you know the the working with your hands the spray painting in the garage it's just it's just so gratifying you know whatever it is um
Sabrina Ward Harrison: it's kind of like your tinkering thing Trent and it's like tinkering with stuff I totally get it absolutely
Molly Franks: tinkering with a nose whistle laughter
Sabrina Ward Harrison: laughter laughter laughter laughter - God, haven't heard that in a while.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Yeah, like, just putzing around with different things. - And it's no pressure. - Yeah, it's no pressure, exactly. That's a huge part of creativity, is to have that.
Trenton Reynolds: - If it has a function or it, you know, is a solution to a problem, is it easier for you to make time for it? 'Cause I can actually, everything you described about the shovel, I think that would just be an interesting object to present as a sculptural or installation type of piece. I don't necessarily think it has to serve a function, but it being functional, does that just help you understand what it is that you're doing or give you a goal to go for?
Molly Franks: - Not necessarily. I think I take both routes. If I have a need and I'm in need, looking at all the materials I have and like oh this would look really cool let me do this but then but then sometimes there is no means to it and maybe it's it's just because I really like these colors and I just bought like 20 yards of burlap and it just I just need to just feel like doing something with my hands.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - Molly sent me a box of stuff.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - What was in the box?
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - I videotaped it. Just some stuff, just some cool stuff.
Molly Franks: - I don't even know how you'd describe it.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: - Just stuff like exactly I would find. It was like we'd just been at the same place and came home and there's a box of stuff I got.
Molly Franks: There were like some Holly Hobby gift cards, like thank you notes and some scarves. I think there were some posters. There were some, I don't know, the men and women, like the 1920s. I don't know what those were, but they were screaming spring.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: Thank you Molly for joining us and thank you guys for listening.
Sabrina Ward Harrison: I am loving reading these applications coming in for the True Living Experience in June. I really love it. It feels like introverts truly uniting. Such great people and I think there's two spots for each weekend left. So you can sign up. I'd love you to join us. So just go to roominthetrees.com forward slash Madison 2017. Don't miss the unicorn. You ride it to the senator's office and you let him see how serious you are. You got this. Lots of love from us at Room in the Trees and we'll talk to you next week.